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    another example

    Now here is a melody that starts low and ends high. What I mean is that is begins on the tonic but ends on the seventh of the chord of the moment.

    Over Am:

    A,B,C,E,G

    A third above would be:

    C,D,E,G,B

    The resolution is now on a nineth and not so complete sounding.

    A third below:

    F,G,A,C,E

    Now it ends OK but starts out of the realm of Am.

    This would be a problem melody for a parralel third.
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    That makes sense. So I shouldn't only look at the melody line, but also the chord that the line is being played over. You know, I never thought of that.

    One question, how do I know when these chord realms start and end?
    It's my ever present curse,
    It's the hell I must endure.

    -Excerpt of 'Breaking Point'

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    More examples

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromortis
    That makes sense. So I shouldn't only look at the melody line, but also the chord that the line is being played over. You know, I never thought of that.

    One question, how do I know when these chord realms start and end?
    As with anything, The more you practice it and think about it, the easier it becomes. Here are some examples of good melodies to harmonise in thirds.

    Over Am:
    A,B,C,E,D,C,B,C,A

    Here we start on the tonic and end on the tonic. Our next harmony would start and end on the third of Am

    over C major
    E,F,G,B,A,G,E,D,C

    Here we start on the third, the melody goes up a bit as high as the seventh but just briefly and adds some tension. It comes back down to resolve on the tonic.

    The next third would begin on the Fifth, would climb as high as the Nineth but its ok, then it would resolve on the Third of C major.
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    Practice by writing out the harmonies to those two melodies.

    Then playing them against the chords.
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    So the realm is just the notes of the chord? Or the notes of the major or minor scale that the chord is based off of? Am I getting this whole realm thing?
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    1000th post!

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromortis
    So the realm is just the notes of the chord? Or the notes of the major or minor scale that the chord is based off of? Am I getting this whole realm thing?
    The realm of the chord is just what I am using to describe this to you. What I mean is that in order to sound melodious, you need to put emphasis on chord tones. tonic, Third, Fifth and even seventh sometimes. Go beyond that with alot of emphasis, and you wont sound so good. Its ok to have nineths and elevenths and thirtenths but not so much on strong accents and not as a resolution.

    And that marks my 1000th post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromortis
    So the realm is just the notes of the chord?
    Yes, notes of the chord of the moment. Not Notes of the scale. Remember that scales can change from chord to chord sometimes. We have to think about how the melody and hormony relate to the chord being played at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Boleros
    The realm of the chord is just what I am using to describe this to you. What I mean is that in order to sound melodious, you need to put emphasis on chord tones. tonic, Third, Fifth and even seventh sometimes. Go beyond that with alot of emphasis, and you wont sound so good. Its ok to have nineths and elevenths and thirtenths but not so much on strong accents and not as a resolution.

    And that marks my 1000th post!
    Ah, thanks. Congratulations on the thousandth post. You've been really helpful explaining all this to me. Thank you so much. I'm pretty sure I get it now.

    Is there anything else peculiar about Melodic Death Metal that I haven't figuired out yet that I should have figured out?
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    Now over two chords

    This example goes over two chords, E7-Am

    G#,A,B,G#,A,B,C

    The first four notes (G#,A,B,G#) go over the E7
    The last three notes (A,B,C) go over the Am

    looks like this:
    Code:
    Melody
    |-----------------------
    |-----------------------
    |------4------4-5------
    |--6-7---6-7-------------
    |--------------------------
    |--------------------------
    Code:
    Harmony a third above
    |-----------------------
    |---------------5-------
    |--4-5-7-4-5-7---------
    |------------------------
    |--------------------------
    |--------------------------
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    try it on your guitar then see if you can explain what is happening here.
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    Ok, so I played the two tab lines that you wrote down, and I don't think that the second one is a harmonized version of the first one. I think that it's a second line that goes with the first line, but I'm not sure why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromortis
    Ok, so I played the two tab lines that you wrote down, and I don't think that the second one is a harmonized version of the first one. I think that it's a second line that goes with the first line, but I'm not sure why...
    But it is. think about the first melody first and how it realtes to the chords. Then think about the second melody and how it relates to the chords. I'll give you a few minutes before giving you the answer to see if you can come up with it yourself.
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    I'm not sure what scale you are playing in, I'm bad at that kind of stuff...it sounds pleasing when I play it, so I think that it's a third above (because we've been talking about thirds).

    Other than that, I'm stumped
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    Ok then,

    The scale is A harmonic minor.

    the main melody relate like this:
    over the E7 chord G#,A,B,G# is the 3,4,5,3 of E7

    over the Am chord A,B,C is the 1,2,3 of Am

    The harmony which is a parralel third above is like this:
    over the E7 chord B,C,D,B is the 5,6,7,5 of E7

    over the Am chord C,D,E is the 3,4,5 of Am

    Together they would sound like this:
    Code:
    |-----------------------
    |-----------------------
    |-4--5--7--4--5--7---9-
    |-6--7--9--6--7--9--10--
    |--------------------------
    |--------------------------
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    I'm off to play soccer now. enjoy!
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