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Thread: Urgent latin help needed!

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    Exclamation Urgent latin help needed!

    Hey guys!

    you have to save my a**.

    in about 20 hours from now i have a studio gig.
    the prob is, the piece of music i have to play is fast latin bossa style acoustic shredding. 4/4 time approx. 130 bpm.
    according to that style alot of sixtuplet runs are requested.
    speed isn't the initial problem though it's the changes that make me wanna call the guy and tell him i'm on holiday.

    |: Emaj7 | Emaj7 | F#min7 | Fmaj7 :|

    i'm still working on getting good in playing through fast key changes.
    as far as i see it, i'd play Emaj over the Emaj7 chord, over the F#min7 as well (dorian), and over the Fmaj7 ... ...
    maybe shift the whole thing up a half step and stay in ionian again?
    play Cmajor to get lydian?
    see the Fmaj7 as akward substitution for a B7alt (would make it a B7sus4b9#11 without root) what scale would fit?
    1-b2-3-4-b5-b6-b7 B locrian nat.3 / Bmixob9#11b13 a.k.a Amin#11

    what do you think would be an appropriate way to approach the chords according to that style?
    i won't have the time for funny experiments as i will have to nail those sixtuplet runs.

    help the phantom please.

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    Hey Phantom,

    That's quite a pickle you have gotten yourself into. As far as the intensity of your solo, that's gonna be all up to you. I don't know if I can answer your question exactly as you have proposed it but I will do what I always do, give you another way to look at it.

    What if you thought of that progression as:
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     |G#m///|G#m///|F#m///|Am///|
    Even though the progression is not that, play the solo like it is and see if you like the feeling of it.
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    What if you thought of that progression as:
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     |G#m///|G#m///|A///|Am///|
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    Good luck phantom!

    Your coming up with some crazy scales for that Fmaj7...

    I suggest keeping it simple and nailing the rhythm, as you originally suggest, first but then if you have time work out an alternative using some of the more unusual stuff you've thought about.

    Always pays to go in with more than one plan of attack anyway eh?

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    thanks!

    ukruss, i don't dare to learn that weird scale until this evening without having a guitar around.
    taking it simple works.. until that damn Fmaj7 chord.
    i'm gong in with plan b in my pocket.
    plan b is to suck badly, go home and get drunk .

    bolerodude,

    i keep on thinking about your posts.
    so you suggest playing gmin? (e lydian)?
    i'd have to change scale (key) as soon as the F#m (Amajor) pops up and again for the Amin.
    is that what yo mean?
    thanks man! i was hoping for some serious los latinos post, but still try to figure out what to do with it.
    Last edited by phantom; 12-15-2004 at 09:49 AM.

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    Whoa.. I could only offer them triplets at that speed

    I can't offer any real help that you didn't already realise a long time ago, but thinking on similar lines to Los Bo, you can extract triads for G#m, F#m and Am from the chords as well allowing the use of some repeated minor triad or pentatonic ideas, sounding different on each chord, without drastic shifts. Will it sound latin... probably not...

    Maybe you could suggest they change the chords a little (only one note in each) to: Eminmaj7, Fm7b5, Am

    Good luck...

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    Good luck...
    thanks ashc,

    thats what i need...
    so you think los bos was thinking in terms of triads, and not scales? that would make sense! great!
    changing chord would help as well . and i would vote for doing it at half speed as well.

    gee... if i survive, i'll post a mp3 of it.

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    Well I hope it helps... that would be cool.

    I noticied an error in my modified chords, I meant F#m7b5 (not F) so you could use E harmonic minor - anyway, they aint gonna change the chords to make your life easier

    Ash
    Last edited by ashc; 12-15-2004 at 11:09 AM. Reason: typo

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    yeah, those chords would make it definately easier... but no chance to mess with the playback for me.
    by the way.. it is going to be used at this horse show that is touring europe. starting next week.

    EDIT: yep tight schedule.
    they trained with similar music but can't use it in public cause of license probs, so they have to have it redone before they hit the road.
    Last edited by phantom; 12-15-2004 at 11:31 AM.

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    Wow, that means you get to "virtual play" Wembley, Birmingham NEC, Glasgow SECC etc. ! Phantom stadium tour, you heard it here first

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    i haven't gone through all the dates and cities on their homepage, but they "play" f***ing big places. like 4000 to 10000 people.
    i don't know a single person though who would want to go there... except for rob muscat (they like horses in malta ).

    i already recorded 2 pieces for that show, and this one tonight is coming in really late.. oh well.


    EDIT: OH HELL YEAH!! i'm really going to virtualy play the wembley arena on january 2nd AND 3rd !!
    looking forward to it!
    Last edited by phantom; 12-15-2004 at 11:46 AM.

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    lmao

    for you guy's information ... in malta ... besides having a lot of horse racing fans and good pedigree horses ....

    horse meat is a delicacy in MOST traditional food restaurants
    Edwin Land: Creativity is the sudden cessation of stupidity.

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    The Phantom goes on a phantom Phantom tour....

    If you see what I mean

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    If you see what I mean
    oh yes.
    i should have better picked another name at the beginning.
    something like the bigmoney_earning_worldtouring dude.
    ill always stay "undercover" with a name like phantom .
    damn.

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    LOL

    Best to have earnt the big money and go on the world tour but then return to your phantomic state to avoid the crazed fans that will surely follow!

    At least you can avoid the "nutter living under your floorboards" type scenario that the famous dudes have to put up with.

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