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Thread: the anti-lesson

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    the anti-lesson

    i was replying to the "i read the hess article..."-thread but decided to open a new one.

    first of all:
    of course it is good to learn every detail and solve every problem that occours on guitar, but the first and biggest things are to listen, relax and have fun.

    sometimes i have that feeling that some beginners (and more advanced players as well) worry too much.
    i think a lot of guys sit down with the guitar and have tons of problems right away.
    there is:

    the alternate picking problem
    the sweep problem
    the hand position problem
    the string dampening problem right hand
    the string dampening problem left hand
    the how to transcribe things problem
    the my sound sucks prob
    the "i don't know theory - can i still be a rockstar" problem
    the i can't play 16th notes at 160bpm problem
    the i can't sightread problem
    the .... "add your favorite problem here"

    know what i mean?
    of course this is a board with a lot of good people to ask stuff and that's why a lot of probs are talked aboud here, and there are a lot of articles to read, but sometimes, for some people it seems to me that the guitar is problem that they have to solve.
    that's not how it should be.
    if you play only what you want to play and listen if it sounds good to you, then you are on your right way. even though your picking hand does not look like paul gilberts!
    don't worry about too many details or you'll end up beeing a practising machine that won't be able to transport your minds music.
    what a lot of people want to express on the guitar isn't so da*n hard most of the times.
    it becomes hard when they think "okay i have all that technique - how can i make my idea sound complicated".
    to astonish somebody with a tricky lick is something cool but quickly forgotten (average users won't even hear that it was so hard to play!).
    to produce a feeling in somebody or bring back memories in somebodies mind is cool but also makes sense and is valuable for that person. that is the reason why this person will come to your concert again , will buy your cds and t-shirts.
    technique - the thing we all (at least many of us) practised so much can really stand in our way. strange , isn't it.

    this is no next technique vs. feeling thread.

    i just wanted people to not worry so much about those "problems".

    get out there and play what you feel like!

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    Kick *** post!

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    now...um...could you check out my Dire need Of help thread j/k

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    "this ainīt brain-surgery, nobody will die if you play a wrong note" - Scott Henderson
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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    lol captain.. should be on a guitar teachers t-shirt...hm but kickin' students when they play sloppy is fun as well... j/k

    thanks ryan ;-)
    Last edited by phantom; 07-30-2004 at 09:36 AM.

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    Don't know why but this reminded me of this.... I was at a wedding and a cover band was playing. They were doing Message in a Bottle by The Police, the guitarist was also the singer and rather than playing the stacked fifth arpeggios of the riff he was just strumming the chords. I mentioned to a friend I was standing with... His answer: "nobody else noticied that". Very true, nobody cared, they were enjoying it just fine, this was about music for enjoyment there was no requirement for exact reproduction!

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    @ashc

    yeah that's how it is, and there are even guitar players that don't care if it's played perfectly as long as it serves the purpose of transporting the song.

    @all
    just wanna add to my long post above:
    there is nochting wrong with practicing let's say your favorite solo for hours and days and you'll definately learn stuff like accuracy and eartraining and different techniques while doing that. and i know the satisfaction you get when finally you make it through that difficult solo. you just have to be aware that it makes only a small part in the overall picture of the guitar player that you are. how to hold the hand, with wich finger you tap, and details like that are just tiny bits of that arleady small part of the overall picture. serving the song and making statements in a solo is worth so much more to 99% of the people out there.
    in case somebody wants to stay a "secret guitarist" locked up in his bedroom practising diagonal quadraphonic septuplet strinkskipping arpeggios of the hindu scale in G superimposed over the F# androgyn-chord for the rest of his life, he can skip this thread and go back to practice. ;-)

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    I agree fully to what Sven posted there.
    Iīd like to add though that, if you feel like you want to focus on something and work hard on it, you should go for it and donīt stop until youīre satisfied.
    What I mean is... if you really know that you i.e. wanna pick fast, and you know why you want that ability,then go for it.
    No one can do it all... no guitarist is good at everything. There are some who come close ( Steve Morse with his ability to play both the electric and the classical guitar at a very high level ), but in general, you should trytofigure out what you like,what you wanna do, what feels and sounds good to you and play ! Donīt keep skipping from topic to topic... if you work on your picking one day, chord-soloing the next only to purchase a nylon string acoustic the next to learn "Bourree"... well, you might as well try to practice playing piano one day, trumpet the next etc.
    It might be more interesting and challenging to skip from subject to subject, but it wonīt be very effective. Take your development step by step.
    Once you feel a need to push your boundaries ( You should never stop and go "OK, I have accomplished all I want to accomplish,I can now stop learning and practicing" ), go for it.
    But always make sure you really want to.
    Remember that many of the players who really created awesome songs and solos ( like Eddie, Jeff Beck amo. ) were rather un-schooled players who always seemed to have a "what the heck ? this sounds good, so I donīt care whether this jazz-guy says I shouldnt do it" type of attitude )
    And even though it might be inspiring sometimes, stop measuring your abilities against the abilities of your idols. Try to develop your own style and musical personality, your own vocabulary. Donīt waste months on trying to play that lick from the Metropolis-solo. It IS helpful to learn the riffs and licks of the players you admire,but at some point you should work on your own ideas.
    I gotta run, otherwise I could ramble on like that for way longer... =)
    Eric

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    i echo eric,
    in the post above i added something like that as well 'cause i didn't want to sound too disencouraging (right word?) .
    always do your best, practice hard and it takes blood sweat and sometimes tears, but be aware of the overall picture you (want to) give.

    don't worry about reaching goals - don't try too hard cause that implies failure and makes you worry and try even harder. just practice with a smile, do your exercises and success will come. don't shout at your fingers and tense up. you'll reach the goal faster if you reduce the pressure.
    Last edited by phantom; 07-30-2004 at 11:07 AM.

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    just one more thing ...

    do you know that:

    you want a girlfriend badly and there is no opportunity what so ever. chances = 0.
    and once you find one, different girls start hitting at you and want to date you.

    strange thing . think about it .

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    Nice metaphor

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    Nice post sven. 100% with ya

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    Like I always say, it's like golf. There are dozens of things to remember when you start out, and if you try to think about them all, you can barely hit the ball OR have fun. Likewise, the game is more fun the 'better' you get--that is, it's more fun I think if you spend less time looking for and losing balls. Conversely, 'better' means you're having more fun. See what I'm saying?
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    i think this thread is really important ... cause if there's no fun in playing then playing your guitar will sometime soon end cause it's too boring (just like going to work) ... on the other hand i think having fun playing guitar and expressing yourself requires some work on it .... the approach? that's up to the person him/herself to find out what's best for them .... some need a practice routine others just beat the hell out of the guitars daily until they get their chops up....

    any way is good ... unless the final result is what they're aiming for. Some people want to sound EXACTLY like vai, malmsteem etc ... if that's what they want i'm fine with that everyone has the right to persue his/her own dreams.

    one last thing: a "strange" thing happened to me ... i'm the kind of guy who works using some timetable (often modified to reflect my current deficiences) telling me what to do next everyday so i avoid forgetting an aspect of playing ... anyway today i was really tired, bored and all the rest and thinking about actually follow a schedule almost put me off playing today. Anyway i had just listened to Richie Kotzen's (first listen) "Dream of a New Day" and and just went nuts about it. I played it repeatedly on my stereo ... i heard i around 20/25 times already really cool ... i jammed with it, i picked up lines from what he was playing and worked bit on them ... by far i did learn and lot ... AND HELL IF I ENJOY IT LOL .... it was really fun ... but i know that if for the past year i hadn't practiced hard enough ... jamming around with this track would have go me depressed more then i was .... I did not learn the solo, i did not learn anything actually except trying to find out what was really cool (for me) in those solos....

    Moral: unfortunately to enjoy playing (or doing anything) you have to be reap some kind of results in our case you have to express yourself the best you can, to improve you have to reap frustration (but turn it into will and inspiration) ... at least that's how it works for me ... i hope for others the case is better

    p.s. cool post sven this was really inspiring
    Edwin Land: Creativity is the sudden cessation of stupidity.

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    Are you taling about my thread? If so my problem was indeed getting out what i wanted to hear. I couldnt get onto my guitar what was in my head. In other words as you put it sven I didnt like what I was hearing. I was having problems taking what I wanted to hear and couldnt put that sound down on my guitar. I know that everything on guitar takes time to develope but what you said in the first thread didnt make sense to me to what I said before. I am not having problems with a technique but simple the same thing hess said he had a problem with when he was playing before he went to collage. If its not me your talking about then im sorry I posted this and I feel like a fool lol.The only reasoned why I asked what I did was because he said in learning how to do this he became alot better of a musician it was a big turning point for him and changed his musical life.Just thought maybe it could help me
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