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Thread: Speaking in tounges.....

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    Oh, up and down.
    I was going across.

    Thanks szulc.

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    Originally posted by badgas
    I read about the circle of 5ths. Is this simular?
    Similar in terms of the mechanics of producing each row. For example, in James' first installment (Cycle 4/5), find the major scale structure--it's about the middle row. Instead of applying the circle of 5ths rules to generate the next 'row', look at his next row and see what rules he applied to get it. 'Programatically'...similar.
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    Thanks for the instructions, Bongo.
    Sorry but I'm a bit dense sometimes and it adds to the confusion.

    I see what's going on now.

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    The purpose here is to demonstrate that there is a mathmatical way to get from any key to any other key by applying the accidental to the correct scale degrees. And it is organized by interval from the original root. You will see that the same transform is applied to each successive generation away from the original root. This is exactly like the circle of fifths (the first one is the circle of fifths) except it is completely dereferenced and I am demonstrating the relationships in other interval rings beside the usual fifths and fourths.
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    Bingo, the light just clicked on, szulc.
    Thanks for that extra explaination.

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    Additional Clarification

    Lets say you wanted to be able to move from a particular major scale to the relative minor.

    What is the relation ship between the root of the original scale and the new major scale (Ionian Mode).
    You can look at this a couple of different ways.
    Lets use some specific examples.

    In C major there are no sharps or flats.
    What is the Sixth tone of C major? (A)
    What is the relative Minor of C? (A Minor)
    What is the interval between A and C? (m3)
    So up a m3 from C is what note? (Eb)
    So C should be the sixth tone of Eb Major and C Minor must be the relative minor of Eb Major.
    So to use the rings you want to move up a m3 (with cycle 4 this is 3rd order F Bb Eb, so it takes three jumps in the cycle four ring to make this move, adding 3 flats)

    The m3 ring get you there in one jump, adding three flats. To move from a minor to the relative major you just need to go the other direction subtract three flats (or add three sharps).
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    Deja cool !

    I'm glad you resurected this thread.I was thinking about doing this myself.I saw this awhile back and was just thinking about it and wanted to ask how to read the columns and what the point was you were trying to make.Luckily you've all asked all of the right questions already and so all that is left for me is to maybe print this stuff up and study it really closely and re-read all of the fine points.

    All I can say is (((WOW)))!

    Thanks szulc,very thought provoking stuff indeed !

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    Cool I am glad you dig it!
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    Help,I'm hyperventilating !!!

    Okay I thought I was understanding this fully except that maybe I needed to re-read and study it further.

    Then I thought maybe I didn't quite understand and I was trying to work up some questions and was working on a rather large post but was having trouble forming my questions and then my phone kept ringing and and ringing and I got all screwed up by one long conversation and then the damn thing just kept ringing... frustrating ! ! ! ! arhhhhh...

    So I went back and studied and re-read some more and then studied the images and now I think I understand once again

    I swear I'm gonna shoot my damn phone

    Stand by...more questions may indeed arise...

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    I know what you mean Chim.
    I live alone with some animals. My daughter and her kids are here for the holidays. No peace. No privacy. I can't study nor practice without someone wanting me to teach them something.

    I know what you mean.....

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    I am waiting patiently!
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    Well, looks like we need another iBreathe Award category--this time a "Most Interesting Thread that Initially Appeared DOA but was Only Lying Dormant for a Long Time Award".

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    Ha ha,you nailed it badgas...it's the "holidays" !
    My family kept calling trying to coordinate gifts etc. - LOL !
    Some days I seem to do OK. Other days I feel like just shoving an M-80 right up my guitar's butt.

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    Sorry Bongo.
    Rest assured, it will not happen again, Ever!

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    What are you apologizing to Bongo For?
    This thread is getting hard to follow.
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