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Thread: Legato - Even volume level in all notes

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    Legato - Even volume level in all notes

    Hello my friends.

    I have a question about volume levels in legato. When my goal is to make the volume of all notes as even as possible, because the strengh of the left hand fingers is lower than the one that is possible to achieve by the right hand when picking, I tend to lower the volume of all notes in order to match the maximum volume level of the pull-offs.

    Obviously, at the newbie stage I'm in, this is the correct way to deal with it if you want to play it perfectly.... but what about from the instructional point of view? How do you deal with it?

    Thanks

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    Hey rbarata,

    you should train the left hand to get up to volume to fit the picking volume - not the other way around .

    How to do that?
    -> Pratice lefthand strength
    - take into your practice schedule a daily left hand only legato slot
    - practice to have all notes at the same volume but vary that volume
    - go from very quiet to very loud and back
    - stay with one volume for maybe 1 - 2 minutes

    Don't worry if it doesn't work fine from the start.
    What you need is strength and muscles.
    Only when you have enough strenth you will be able to have perfect control.


    Good luck!

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    oh.. and happy birthday!

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    oh.. and happy birthday!
    Thank you very much!!!!

    How to do that?
    -> Pratice lefthand strength
    - take into your practice schedule a daily left hand only legato slot
    - practice to have all notes at the same volume but vary that volume
    - go from very quiet to very loud and back
    - stay with one volume for maybe 1 - 2 minutes

    Don't worry if it doesn't work fine from the start.
    What you need is strength and muscles.

    For the last 6 months I've been praticing almost exclusively legatos. I can notice improvements but I still have problems such as these. Wouldn't it be solved already after all this time? I always feel a slight muscular pain in my left hand, not like a tendinitis, more like the usual pain you feel when you make efforts that you are not used to. This is a good thing because it shows that my trainning is making my hand going beyond its "confort zone". I just wonder if, after 6 months, shouldn't they be stronger? Are there any good exercises to strengthen your hand without a guitar?
    Last edited by rbarata; 09-24-2010 at 01:45 PM.

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    Yeah.. it takes time i know.
    Maybe you can have a teacher look over your technique to make sure you are on the right path movementwise.

    A good way to train those muscles needed is to open your hands (spread the fingers completely) and close them to a fist 100 times in a row.
    You can make several of these training sessions a day.

    It might sound easy first... but try and see .

    best regards,
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    It might sound easy first... but try and see .
    I will, I will...but something tells me that it won't be easy.

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    Pick gauge

    The gauge of your pick will have a large effect on the loudness of your
    'picked' notes. Thinner picks (.73mm) will make your notes sound softer
    than if you were to use (.88mm) ones.
    That way you would not have to hammer on so hard to match the picked
    note sound level and your left hand will get a well deserved rest from all
    that practice.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/kickbaktube

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    Keep in mind most electric guitar you hear on recordings is benefitting from compression (an evening of volume level) from a cranked up amp, an overdrive/distortion pedal, and/or a compression pedal...
    Last edited by walternewton; 10-02-2010 at 03:54 AM.

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    this is true, if you see a guitarist play live you will notice some difference in volume level when they do legato. they'd have to use a compressor pedal and crank it to even things out live. the guitar is plucked instead of bowed, so a violin legato has same volume for legato and detached notes. you don't really have to 'hammer or pull' at all on a violin to keep the sound going. there's basically a constant attack going on, a guitar has a quick single attack so those nonpicked notes will be quieter, the only attack would be your very very strong hammers and pulls. it really does come down to muscles strength and endurance, and even when you have fingers strong enough to crush a tree branch you'll find the need for compression.

    I'd recommend doing some of Shawn Lane and Alan Holdsworth instructional stuff, those two have the most insane legato on the guitar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chee_zee
    this is true, if you see a guitarist play live you will notice some difference in volume level when they do legato. they'd have to use a compressor pedal and crank it to even things out live.
    I wonder how many other things are used to mask poor techniques in the music we ear today everywhere...and they don't explain it in the instructional DVD's.
    I guess it's "secrets of the trade".

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    People like Allan Holdsworth (who is a legato god btw) use super light overdrive and a compressor to get the volume and sustain he wants for legato.
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    Be different.

    Do it for the OATMEAL.

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