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    iJam - Cry Me A River

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    I haven't the Ella and Joe Pass version, but there's a good transcription of Barney Kessels comping for Julie London here:



    The changes should be correct. With tab here: http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/attac...-river-tab.pdf

    There's more great stuff at this site: http://www.stuntzner.brent.org/Transcriptions.html

    Ella and Joe on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAoABuJS1MA&NR=1
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    I'm not an expert on guide tones for improvising, but I've made an attempt to indicate those for Cry me a river:
    Cry%20me%20a%20river.pdf

    I also added a comping suggestion:
    Cry%20me%20a%20river.pdf

    Comments are welcome
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    So um....this lead sheet...is these the ultra-embelished chord changes..? Is there a sheet anyone knows of with some more straight chords, so I could play around with them and sort of make the song my own?

    Also, I can read written notiation, but some of this stuff isn't familiar to me. IE: the little runs of notes within parenthesese.

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    most of that lead sheet looks like all they did was write the chords that are written on top with notes on the staff. there's other stuff too like those runs in parentheses you're talking about, i'm not sure exactly either what they are but my guess is that either they are meant to be optional, or kind of played in a kind of soft subtle way. but those are just flagrant guesses.

    it's kind of weird though, usually for jazz tunes and stuff the lead sheet has just the chords written on top, and with fairly simple standard notation for the melody.

    this looks like something that's been transcribed, where for most parts the player was making fat chords. but this looks like piano to me, and the bass clef is missing.

    i searched for the tune on this site, which you might find useful if you've not discovered it yet, but i haven't downloaded anything so i can't vouch for the hits.

    http://pdfdatabase.com/cry-me-a-river.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerpikingood View Post
    this looks like something that's been transcribed
    Correct! Notice it says at the top "Barney Kessel behind Julie London". This is cryptic jazz shorthand for "[This is what] Barney Kessel [played] behind Julie London['s vocal on the famous recording]"

    Here's the original recording in question:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByUOFV5TusE
    - the transcription sounds trustworthy to me.

    It would be a good exercise (short of finding a lead sheet) to transcribe the vocal melody; and then see how it aligns with the chords.

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    [QUOTE=fingerpikingood;140610]most of that lead sheet looks like all they did was write the chords that are written on top with notes on the staff. there's other stuff too like those runs in parentheses you're talking about, i'm not sure exactly either what they are but my guess is that either they are meant to be optional, or kind of played in a kind of soft subtle way. but those are just flagrant guesses.

    it's kind of weird though, usually for jazz tunes and stuff the lead sheet has just the chords written on top, and with fairly simple standard notation for the melody.

    this looks like something that's been transcribed, where for most parts the player was making fat chords. but this looks like piano to me, and the bass clef is missing.

    i searched for the tune on this site, which you might find useful if you've not discovered it yet, but i haven't downloaded anything so i can't vouch for the hits.

    Big clap for your approach

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    So um....this lead sheet
    No lead sheet has been posted yet. It would be against the copyright regulation to post the lead sheet.
    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    ...is these the ultra-embelished chord changes..?
    Not in any of mine...
    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    Is there a sheet anyone knows of with some more straight chords, so I could play around with them and sort of make the song my own?
    About 50% of all real and fake books will have this tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    Also, I can read written notiation, but some of this stuff isn't familiar to me. IE: the little runs of notes within parenthesese.
    Isn't that just in the tab? This is guide tones for improvisastion. It is a very good basis for improvising over difficult chord changes. An alternative to the scale / mode paradigm (not entirely, but to some extent). Check out Ed Byrne's Linear Jazz Improvising to learn more. To save space I added two lines in one sheet (and sometimes more) and tried to differentiate these with parantheses.

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    So um....this lead sheet...is these the ultra-embelished chord changes..?
    As gersdal says, what he posted is not a "lead sheet", which means melody and chord symbols. His chart is (as it says) a transcription of Barney Kessel's accompaniment on Julie London's recording.
    The first line is the intro, which is admittedly pretty fancy - as the guitar is out on its own there.
    From "A1" the guitar is pretty much playing the standard changes (behind the vocal, so it needs to be fairly simple), although there are some added passing chords.
    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    Is there a sheet anyone knows of with some more straight chords, so I could play around with them and sort of make the song my own?
    Here's a simplified set of changes in C minor. (You'll need to transpose to compare it with the London/Kessel version, or the Ella/Pass version which is in F minor.)
    http://www.ralphpatt.com/VB/c18.html
    Beware that the first 2 bars indicate a descending line on the Cm (maj7-7-6), whereas most versions use an ascending line (#5-6-b7).

    As gersdal says, posting a lead sheet (with melody) would break copyright - although it would be extremely useful!
    But this tune can be found in most Real Books, and it may be possible to find it (illegally!) online...
    Quote Originally Posted by jwilliams View Post
    Also, I can read written notiation, but some of this stuff isn't familiar to me. IE: the little runs of notes within parenthesese.
    If you mean those runs in the intro on the above sheet, that's a bass line (notice it says "Bass" at the beginning, tho I agree it's not immediately obvious). The guitar plays the other part.

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