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Thread: Need help with a song!!

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    Need help with a song!!

    Hey guys, I'm writing a song and it goes a little like this...

    The / means the next chord and these chords are kind of arpeggiated

    D-/D-6/D-5#?(is that a chord? Its got an A#)
    Then heres the trouble...

    I have it go to an A-/A-6/A-9 but it just doesn't sound right to me... Any ideas?

    PS I wrote this like a few minutes ago so I haven't had time to perfect it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeman9412@gma View Post
    D-/D-6/D-5#?(is that a chord? Its got an A#)
    Yes it's a chord:
    D aug
    a.k.a.: D+, D+5, D(#5)
    intervals: 1,3,#5
    notes: D,F#,A#
    Then heres the trouble... I have it go to an A-/A-6/A-9 but it just doesn't sound right to me... Any ideas?
    Well D to A not a problem if you keep going, but you can not stop there. Suggest you forget about all the different D's and A's and concentrate on a progression that moves from rest (I {D}) to Tension (IV {G}) to Climax (V7{A7}) and returns to rest (I{D}). And Then - add the color and flavor (A-/A-6/A-9). Going from D to A and just hanging there your progression is begging to resolve. Fix that problem first and then add all the color you want.

    Recapping; First things first, structure and order then color and flavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeman9412@gma View Post
    Hey guys, I'm writing a song and it goes a little like this...

    The / means the next chord and these chords are kind of arpeggiated

    D-/D-6/D-5#?(is that a chord? Its got an A#)
    Then heres the trouble...

    I have it go to an A-/A-6/A-9 but it just doesn't sound right to me... Any ideas?

    PS I wrote this like a few minutes ago so I haven't had time to perfect it
    Hold on - you are using "-"; this is jazz shorthand for minor. Do you mean minor chords? If not, don't use "-".

    D D6 Daug = major chords
    D- D-6 D-(#5) = minor chords (better written as Dm Dm6 Dm(#5).)

    A Dm chord with a #5 would be an inversion of Bb major: D-F-A# = D-F-Bb = Bb in 1st inversion.

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    Oh ya I meant minor, I've seen it write D- etc but anyway ya I mean Dm6 and so on...

    JonR... I have a question, So I found that chord (Dm (#5) just by accident so how would I know that its an inversion? Is there a handy way to figure that out or is it just look at the notes and put them in different orders? and also this is off topic but is there a chord that has 1,3,b5? I probably already know the answer but I forget if there is a technical name for that?

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    Hey Malcolm

    So the idea I had is that I would play the d chords like arpegiate them and then add in the first 6th and then the #5 like desending from 6 to 5#

    then I would move to the a progression and do the same kind of thing and then back to the d and then I was trying to think of a way to change it up

    any ideas??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeman9412@gma View Post
    Oh ya I meant minor, I've seen it write D- etc but anyway ya I mean Dm6 and so on...

    JonR... I have a question, So I found that chord (Dm (#5) just by accident so how would I know that its an inversion? Is there a handy way to figure that out or is it just look at the notes and put them in different orders?
    That's the easiest way.
    Although with a minor with a raised 5th it's a simple rule: that raised 5th becomes the root of the new chord. (Just check the enharmonics - normally it's better to think of the #5 as a b6, which gives a better clue.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeman9412@gma View Post
    and also this is off topic but is there a chord that has 1,3,b5? I probably already know the answer but I forget if there is a technical name for that?
    Strictly speaking, no. The implication is there is a 4 between the 3 and b5 - so ask yourself what kind of scale has a major 3rd, 4th and b5? all a half-step apart?
    However, it's common in jazz to get 7b5 chords (1-3-b5-b7), as part of the altered dominant series. Jazz musicians normally regard the b5 as a #4 (and include either a P5 or #5 in the scale), but it still gets called "7b5" to prevent confusion with "7#4", which is a lydian dominant chord (better written as 7#11).
    Altered scale = 1 b2 #2 3 #4(or b5) #5 (or b6) b7
    Lydian dominant = 1-2-3-#4-5-6-b7

    7b5 chords could also take the wholetone scale: 1-2-3-#4-#5-b7 (which could be written 1-2-3-b5-b6-b7, there's only 6 notes).

    You can also have lydian chords which include 1-3-#4, but also with a P5 (and maj7).
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