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Thread: segovia scales

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    segovia scales

    hi guys, my teacher has me doing all the segovia scales as part of my practise. i have told him that i predominantly want to play blues and rock. he says that the scales will still be of benifit.i would like to know what you guys think about these scales and if you think they would be of benifit to a blues,rock guitarist.thanks, Peter

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    Peter,
    How about posting in power tab these scales so we know what you are talking about?
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    sulz, is power tab a software program. i am not familiar with it.
    ill try to explain the segovia scales alittle better.the scales were designed by the great classical player,andreas segovia.there are 36 in the open position and 36 in the horizontal position.they have odd fingerings and many position changes in the horizontal forms.they are only designed as a chop builder.you wouldnt use them for lead or anything. i was hoping some of you guys had used them.
    see ya,Peter

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    Powertab is the software most of the stuff you see on this site is written with. If you have a windows based computer you can download it and use it free. It is easy to use.
    It will be much better to use this if you want meaningful answers to your questions, since we can have some idea what you are talking about.

    Your information on these scales is not sufficent for me to have any idea what you are talking about.
    You say ther are 36 scales in the open position and 36 in the horizontal position. What are the scales (My Guess is Major, Melodic, Harmonic) and are they in all 12 keys? (I guess that would be 36 =3(Major,Melodic,Harmonic) x12 (tones in the chromatic scale))
    What do you mean by horizontal positions? Do you mean lengthwise up and down the neck or just in other positions than in the open position.
    What do you mean by you wouldn't use them for lead or anything? (Does this mean you think only Pentatonic and Blues scales are used for lead?)

    A good picture (staff and or tab) is worth a 1000 words!

    You seem to want someone here to tell you that your teacher is full of Sh#t, so you can feel alright about quitting your lessons with him. It sounds to me like he is trying to teach you the right stuff (as he sees it). There are no shortcuts, learning guitar is a lifelong experiance, you don't just wake up one day and know it all, it take many years.

    I suggest you make better efforts to truly communicate your ideas here so you may get the full benefit of this site, besides YOU can contribute by teaching US what the Segovia Scales are.
    I, for one, would like to know!
    Show us in TAB and Staff what you are learning from your teacher, then maybe we will tell you he is full of it, or tell you he is right on the mark.

    It will just take some of your time to put them in PowerTab and post them. Once you have them in Powertab you can either post .ptb files or post images of the tab.

    You can download powertab here http://www.power-tab.net/
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    thanks sulz,i will get the power tab and have a go at posting examples of the scales.you are correct about the 36 scales.12 major keys,12 harmonic,12 melodic.by horizontal i mean the scale begins at the open position and goes all the way to the 12th fret and beyond.it might take some time to post the examples so please bear with me as i value your opinion and input.thanks mate. i still dont feel that i am qualifyed enough to try and answer some of the questions on this site. but then again if i post a reply that might not be correct i guess you guys would correct me anyway,so i might have a go.thanks again buddy.see ya,Peter

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    Everyone has something to contribute!
    You are learning something that most of us haven't heard of or learned (I hope I am not making too big of an assumption here!).
    I have heard of Segovia scale but have never seen them enumerated in staff and tab. I am guessing that everyone here who doesn't know these would be interested in learning about them.

    I have made some educated guesses as to what they are and how they would lay across the fingerboard. I am wondering if they are based on three note per string forms or combinations of two and three (maybe even four) notes per string.

    I am assuming the log forms are based on three and four notes per string (maybe more). The questions that follow are where do you do the position shifts?
    Are they 1-1, 4-1, 3-1, 2-1 shifts? (Meaning index to index or Pinky to index etc... when ascending)

    You can answer all these questions if you properly tab out some of these ideas.

    If you have any problems with powertab, post them to the Gear thread and someone will answer them as soon as possible.
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    I found this on the net:

    C | | |
    |------------------------------------------------5---7---8---7---|
    |------------------------------------5---6---8-------------------|
    |--------------------2---4---5---7-------------------------------|
    |--------2---3---5-----------------------------------------------|
    |3---5-----------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |5---------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----8---6---5---------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------7---5---4---2-----------------------------------|
    |--------------------------------5---3---2-----------------------|
    |--------------------------------------------5---3---------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|

    Am (Melodic) | | |
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------9---10--12--|
    |--------------------------------------------9---11--------------|
    |--------------------------------9---10--12----------------------|
    |------------5---7---9---11--12----------------------------------|
    |5---7---8-------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |----10--12--14--16--17--15--13--12--10--------------------------|
    |13--------------------------------------13--12--10--------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------12--10--9---|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |7---------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----10--9---7---------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------10--8---7---------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------10--8---7---5-----------------------|

    G | | |
    |------------------------------------------------------------5---|
    |------------------------------------------------5---7---8-------|
    |--------------------------------2---4---5---7-------------------|
    |--------------------2---4---5-----------------------------------|
    |--------2---3---5-----------------------------------------------|
    |3---5-----------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |7---8---10--12--14--15--14--12--10--8---7-----------------------|
    |--------------------------------------------10--8---7-----------|
    |--------------------------------------------------------9---7---|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |10--9---7-------------------------------------------------------|
    |------------10--9---7---5---3---2-------------------------------|
    |------------------------------------5---3-----------------------|

    Em (Melodic) | | |
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------8---9---11--|
    |--------------------------------4---5---7---9---11--------------|
    |----------------2---4---6---7-----------------------------------|
    |0---2---3---5---------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |----------------11--12--10--8---7-------------------------------|
    |----10--12--14----------------------10--8---7-------------------|
    |12----------------------------------------------9---7-----------|
    |--------------------------------------------------------10--9---|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|

    | | | |
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------------------------------------------|
    |7---------------------------------------------------------------|
    |----10--9---7---5---3---2---------------------------------------|
    |----------------------------5---3-------------------------------|

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    These refer I think to Segovia's book Diatonic Major and Minor Scales, and to playing each of them with each of eight left-hand finger patterns.

    I also found reference to the following right-hand combinations to be used in practicing these scales:

     
    Indice leading: im ia ic ip
    Medio leading: mi ma mc mp
    Anular leading: ai am ac ap
    Chiquito leading: ci cm ca cp
    Pulgar leading: pi pm pa pc


    So is it true that the scales themselves are not in any way Segovian, but the regimen for learning how they can be played is?

    TRIVA NOTE: As one of the many requirements to audition for the BA program in music a Cal State Northridge, the prospective student must play all of the Segovia Scales (memorized).
    Last edited by Bongo Boy; 02-24-2004 at 02:48 AM.
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    I have two books by Segovia on scales. They have some really interesting positions, etc. and I can see how they would be a great chops builder, although I haven't gotten that far in yet. All the same, to the OP; I think that if you're interested in developing strong technical skills, they wil be helpful to you regardless of what style of music you're interested in. Of course, that would be true of almost any group of technical studies.

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