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Thread: Drum Science

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    Post Drum Science

    Hi there fellow iBreathers!

    Now that I've jam packed my HD with gigz of software to substitute for the whole band to support my guitar playing, I realize I desperately lack knowledge in programming drums. What I need is general theory, common patterns for various genres. Once I've grasped the main idea I'll be able to wade my way through the peculiarities of whatever software I'll choose to fit my tasks.

    I hope I'm not alone struggling with the similar problems so I think we could share our knowledge in this area in this thread - share the links to internet resources/books dealing with this topic.

    The main idea is not to discuss gear or the use of the particular software but rather to talk about drum notation/patterns/whatever can get a newbie like myself started theory wise from the very scratch.

    So - any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks
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    Zatzermesiter! Not too long ago I was surfing in search of the smae answers, I found this place, scroll down and theres various lessons on all aspects of percussion, from beats, to accents, to flams, definitely a good resource worth checking out. Maybe once we program drums and percussion stuff we can share files on here, and talk about our progress.

    http://drumbum.com/lessons/
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    May I also add I even came across small packages that include notation and video to rythms being played, highly recommended.

    Another tasy link
    http://www.drumlinks.com/drum-links-lessons.htm

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    Alright last link of the day, some interesting tips right here:
    http://www.tweakheadz.com/midi_drum_tips.htm

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    Ok three more good articles I just came across, this time it IS my last link of the day:
    http://www.geocities.com/deadkeach/Real-Feels.html

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    Wow, Koaladude! That's some amount of info to surf! Thanks a bunch man!!!
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    That's one hell of a kit you have there!!

    Well, I havent' checked out K's links there and I imagine it covers mostly everything you'll need to know but for the sake of discussion on patterns and genres I thought i'd start off with this little lot:

    The classic rock 4/4:

    The most common method of playing this is to split the four beats of the bar into strong "on" beats and weak "off" beats.

    The on beats are 1 and 3 the off beats are 2 and 4.

    We then differentiate these beats by playing them with a different percussion instrument.

    Bass drum gets the strong beats, snare drum gets the weak beats.

    So:

    BD: 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3
    snr 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4

    This is then enhanced by playing a closed hi-hat over the top of this on every beats of the bar

    so:

    BD 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3
    snr 2 4 2 4 2 4 2 4
    HHc 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

    Excuse the poor alignment.

    Loop this pattern for the most simplistic 4/4 rock rhythm.

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    Variations?

    More relaxed and probably more popular:

    Only kick the bass drum on the 1, snare drum on the 3 and hi hat closed on the 1 2 3 4.

    Vary the bass drum:

    every other bar play the bass drum on the 4 as well as the 1, you get a nice double kick.

    Vary the hi hat:

    Every other bar place an open hi hat on the 2.

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    Thanks, Russ! Very nice insight! I'm starting to get the point. Now it's time to experiment a bit to fool around with variations.

    Now digging a good resource found when looking through Koala's collection:
    http://www.webthumper.com/drums (Lessons with notation + midi)
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    whoops slight mistake in my first example...

    the hi hat is playing quavers so on every beat and inbetween every beat too.

    1&2&3&4&

    apols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKRuss
    the hi hat is playing quavers so on every beat and inbetween every beat too.

    1&2&3&4&
    Yea - ok. You mean this?
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    That's it. The classic rock riddim.

    It would have been much easier if i could simply have done a drawing like that...

    Another nice variation is to double kick two semiquavers on the bassdrum on the 1.

    Like you say though, it's about fiddling around.

    I've always been totally convinced this is where drum and bass was born. Fiddling around with the drum programming and then bumping the tempo.

    Suddenly you''ve got a D+B pattern at 200bpm.

    PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR!!!

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    hi i need a VSTi Drum kit can any one help me i need one with thousand of crashes n other stuff........

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    not that I have anything useful to add...but is that a gong in that kit? and a sink? and a stearing wheel?

    that thing must produce a hell of a lot of rhythm!

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    I think the sink is just there for prsonal hygene cos Im pretty sure that guy has been trapped in his kit for the past 12 years.

    @Shani, we dont discuss gear on ibreathemusic, please refer to harmonycentral.com for reviews on VSTi's.

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