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    Some great posts guys. Zedrein my only advice...

    Some great posts guys. Zedrein my only advice would be to label how you hear it. The root could be any of those posted so far, even a poly-chord (multiple roots) could be what you're hearing. Test it...
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    It's the relative minor of the last chord. This...

    It's the relative minor of the last chord. This is very common coming from the key, but this sounds like a V chord to me for some reason. So the iii became the key. Pretty Cool.
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    To me it's both measurements. Up high it's easier...

    To me it's both measurements. Up high it's easier to hear a 3 than a tritone. Thats whay a #11 can be a Tritone to the key and a 3 to my "superimposed root". If it was just 3 and a 5( with no other...
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    I understand what you were talking about. It's...

    I understand what you were talking about. It's fine to think of what I'm saying as superimposed chords. I wasn't trying say anything wrong about how the chords were labeled.

    I was only adding how...
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    Good posts guys! Thought I'd add some ways that...

    Good posts guys! Thought I'd add some ways that these could be multiple measurements.

    The #11 is really only a Tritone to the key so the only reason it would be a bright sound is if an...
  6. The opening guitar melody lick in Wish You We're...

    The opening guitar melody lick in Wish You We're Here is "Parallel Harmony". I still love that intro to this day.
    That being said, the reason those rules are taught was because at some point in...
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    To me Jazz is all about using Symmetrics to...

    To me Jazz is all about using Symmetrics to resolve into Extensions. Now the label " Extension" is probably not what you think I'm saying I use it as. Some people say Polychords or Superimposing, but...
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    Symmetrics

    Symmetric "issues" were an early discovery, but learning all the ways to deal with them has been a long study. 6 notes only (like an Allman Brothers harmony) means we don't have to deal with them. Or...
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    Numbers and their tendencies

    8 - The simplest connection. Farther though than most connections in melodies.

    5 - Strong, Positive and Very Simple. Closer from below, but more Obvious from above. This number is so Simple the...
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    Street Fighting Man Analysis

    Very Weak Key, but Strong Conflicts that get Agreed on when the root changes.

    C
    Guitars are more Obvious, but vocals are doing C and F (P4) back n' forth with a pretty big Conflict. C is...
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    List of Tendencies

    Thought I'd start a new thread with a "simplified as possible" list of tendencies. I've realized that without showing the whole game plan, it's hard to communicate the whole idea. Any tendency on its...
  12. Thanks JonR, it sounds like you're getting what...

    Thanks JonR, it sounds like you're getting what I'm saying. There are many reasons why our ear would pick a note as the "1". So inversions can have a "Tendency".

    The problem I have with only...
  13. So it sounds like all the points you made were in...

    So it sounds like all the points you made were in agreement with mine.

    To explain further, each tendency could be just equal(no advantage either way), weak or strong positive, or a weak or strong...
  14. I "agree" with JohnR too. It's the concept as a...

    I "agree" with JohnR too. It's the concept as a whole that I'm trying to get across. I'm not only talking about interval relationships, that was just one example. It could be an out of tune drum beat...
  15. I thought I said what a tendency was: But...

    I thought I said what a tendency was:


    But Maybe I need to give more examples

    Any pair of opposites has a positive direction which we'd rather measure from and a negative direction which we'd...
  16. Lets take just a C note and an E note. If...

    Lets take just a C note and an E note.

    If enough strong positive tendencies are on the E and enough strong negative tendencies are on the C then we will perceive 1 and b6 which is a dark...
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    The G and A roots have a similar situation. A Bb...

    The G and A roots have a similar situation. A Bb would be a b2 to the A, but a b3 to the G. If you've memorized the sound of these numbers then you'll be able to hear it when it changes.

    The b2...
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    Thanks!
  19. Neither A b6 is harder to get to work if...

    Neither

    A b6 is harder to get to work if played as a "chord"(simultaneous notes) so I was talking about Melody or ringing out notes in a chord. I also referred to repeating a note more than the...
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    Yes I'm sorry the immigrant song actually would...

    Yes I'm sorry the immigrant song actually would be easy to use b2 with. Sense there's a strong root on the b7, the b2 of the key can also be a b3 of the b7. Try 2,b3,2,1 to the b7. and then get back...
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    You've put a lot of hard work into this, there's...

    You've put a lot of hard work into this, there's no mistaking that. The insight you had on "Evenness" was right on. Even or Equal to me is really a negative tendency. If everything is equal then how...
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    If a note sounds different then I need to label...

    If a note sounds different then I need to label it different. If a 3 sounds harsh and tense then I don't call it a 3.
  23. Yes Dynamics can change which note we perceive to...

    Yes Dynamics can change which note we perceive to be the 1. So can every other aspect of sound. Take any pair of opposites like "High and Low" or "Random and Repeating", and there will be a tendency...
  24. Is anyone interested in a new theory that matches with the ear?

    The main idea is that there's a point that we reference from, a Key, a Root, an Extension that can be proven to be true. If so a number will sound consistent enough to be memorized. Without knowledge...
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    I loved the descriptions JohnR. I just feel that...

    I loved the descriptions JohnR. I just feel that sometimes the original question opens a can of worms. "If there is a guide that we can refer to that can describe a feeling by its chord?"

    Yes your...
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