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Darjness
10-26-2008, 05:51 PM
I have already been given the fingering for all the scales but I would appreciate if someone gave me the fingering for the rest, that is:

Broken Chords and Inversions: Tonic Triad (i)
Primary Chord Progressions
Dominant Seventh Chord and Inversions
Arpeggio: Tonic Triad (i)

Below are the 2 sheets my teacher gave me, C major and A minor. Of course I can figure out some kind of fingering that works for all the others but it would certainly be better to practice using the best possible fingering.

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Malcolm
10-27-2008, 12:00 PM
Broken Chords and Inversions: Tonic Triad (i)
Primary Chord Progressions
Dominant Seventh Chord and Inversions
Arpeggio: Tonic Triad (i)
I'm not at home where I can look at a keyboard and also understand I'm self taught....

I think you can use your standard fingering of thumb under middle over and then remember what note (chord) you are targeting.

R+4+3 for major
R+3+4 for minor
R+3+4+2 for minor 6th
R+4+3+2 for major 6th
R+4+3+3 for major Dominant Seventh
R+4+3+4 for maj7

Primary Chord Progression. Depending on if you grab the 4 chord down scale or up scale --- after that has been decided then it's a target frozen fist for me.


Now for the arpeggio, all kind of ways to do that - broken chord -2 octaves. Two handed, etc.

As to inversions, I'm just starting on inversions and also welcome input on how to best do inversions beyond the obivious; C = C E G, 1st inversion E G C, 2nd inversion G C E.

Malcolm

ClashlandHands
11-04-2008, 03:03 AM
Broken Chords and Inversions: Tonic Triad (i)
Primary Chord Progressions
Dominant Seventh Chord and Inversions
Arpeggio: Tonic Triad (i)
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Wow, I'm not even totally sure what this means, and I've been playing for years! There's scales, then there are arpeggios, and then there's block chords, and I think that's it:

Scales are all fingered differently depending on the scale, but there are some rules that make it easier to remember all of these fingerings. If you can follow the rules, then you don't have to memorize each fingering for every major, natural minor, melodic minor and harmonic minor. You can just apply the rule.

Rule 1: Don't skip a finger

Rule 2: 5th finger is only used for starting, stopping or turning around.

Rule 3: All major and minor scales can be fingered as groupings of [123] & [1234](5) though they may not necessarily start on 1 or with the [123] grouping.

Rule 4: RH- C, D, E, G, A, B (white keys except F) all use 1231234

Rule 5: RH- F#,Db,Ab,Eb,Bb,F (Black keys and F) Fourth finger will always be on Bb.

Rule 6: LH- C,D,E,F,G,A (White keys except B) all use (5)4321 321

Rule 7: LH- Db,Ab,Gb 2nd finger 2 always falls on Bb.

Rule 8: LH- Bb, Eb 3rd finger always falls on Bb.

Rule 9: B major LH ascending is fingered just like F major Right hand descending, so 4321432

That's for major scales. Minor it gets trickier depending on whether it's melodic (ascending or descending), harmonic, or natural. You'd want to consult a fingering chart.

For major arpeggios (broken chords?), I would use these:

RH
C,D,E,F,G,A,B,Gb 123123(5)
Bb,Eb,Ab,Db 4124124
LH
C,F,G (5)421421
D,E,A,B,Gb, (5)321321 although could use 421 too.
Eb,Ab,Db 214214

Block chords for triads are:
RH
135 for Root position
125 for 1st inversion (6 3 position)
124 for 2nd inversion (6 4 position)

LH
531 for Root position
421 for 1st inversion (6 3 position)
521 for 2nd inversion (6 4 position)

Dominant 7ths:
Or 4 note chords in general will always be 1234, 1235, 1245 and very rarely 1345 depending on what feels best and makes logical sense. The rules for chords aren't quite as hardfast as the rules for scales because you don't have to worry about tripping.

Fingering for a piece of music is a very personal thing. I have enormous hands so fingerings I would use would not work for someone with small hands and vice versa. It's a good idea to learn some rules first before breaking them. And then it's important to learn how to break them to taylor the fingering to you.

Alexalin
12-03-2008, 01:33 PM
Really great post.I like your working style.You have posted very useful information for all the music lovers..Thank you!!

ClashlandHands
12-05-2008, 12:50 AM
Thanks to this great forum! Got sortof lazy by the time I got to minor scales, so I figure there must be many, many charts out there online that have this info. Incedentally, I noticed a few things:



RH
124 for 2nd inversion (6 4 position)

LH
421 for 1st inversion (6 3 position)

Could just as easily be fingered 135. So, there are some options.